Which Bull?

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:24 pm

As a consequence of having lost one of my two cows I have decided to keep the 8 month old heifer I have that was previously going for beef. I have a queiry however about the bull I can use on her (in a few months). She is a non-short heifer out of a non-short cow (Greyash Eluer) sired by Ilsington Bramble. Should I use a non-short bull to avoid the bulldog gene or should I be ok using a short bull on her?
I understood I should use a short on a non-short but does this work if her dad is a carrier?

Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:30 pm

No animal which is not itself a carrier can pass on a bulldog gene to its calf, so none of its calves can have two, therefore none of its calves can be bulldogs. If you use two non carrier animals then all offspring will be non carrier. If you use one carrier and one non carrier then 50% of calves will be carrier, 50% non carrier. So from the point of view of having a bulldog, you are quite safe to use a short or carrier bull on a long or non carrier heifer. But remember if you produce a short calf then it will be carrying the bulldog gene.

I have a photo of short and non short twins by Ilsington Bramble and would post it here but sad to say cannot remember how to do it, if some good person will post instructions I will put it on.

Duncan

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:18 pm

Thankyou again Duncan,
I have read all the items on the bulldog gene but wanted to check before I planned it!!
Ilsingon Bramble throws a lovely calf out of Eluer :D .

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:19 pm

P.S.
I would love to see the pics if you can remember :D .

Sylvia · Post by **Sylvia** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:14 pm

I wonder if a techno-whizz could give information (for idiots, me not you Duncan I hasten to add) on getting pics onto this site, it has so far defeated me.

Woodmagic · Post by **Woodmagic** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:45 am

As a complete computer illiterate, can I echo that, and please if possible, put in very simple language so that even I can follow it!
I spent ages unsuccessfully trying, and eventually sent the picture halfway round the world, to be rescued by a Samaritan with considerable more expertise than myself.

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:00 pm

Lets see if this works

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:07 pm

Oops having done that Duncan I hope you don't mind me posting them I should have perhaps asked first. Sorry.
The way I did it was to save the pictures on to my computer and then load them into my online photobucket album (If you type photobucket into the search engine of your computer it should pick it up. It is free to join and the instructions are dead easy to follow). Then simply click on add reply and then Image and copy the URL address in the prompt box that appears. The URL address is given under the pic in the photo bucket. I am a bit of a techno phobe so I stand to be corrected if I have missed anything out.
The pics are of Ilsington Bramble at 8 months and a bit older?
and of the two twins Duncan mentions earlier.

happy hollidays · Post by **happy hollidays** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:20 pm

Issy
Nice photos. We had our cow served by AI with your bull, she was the one that choked on the carrot and lost her early staged foetus. Are twins produced very frequently in Dexters? How does the calving go? So many questions to ask, have got twin brothers so very interested.

Broomcroft · Post by **Broomcroft** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:15 pm

We've got one set of twin heifers, named Chilli & Pepper.

Clive

happy hollidays · Post by **happy hollidays** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:48 pm

Clive, how ironic - our lovely labrador that died just under two weeks ago was named Chilli-pepper. She gingerly picked the chillis growing on the patio in the first few days of coming home. Any background to your choice of names?

Broomcroft · Post by **Broomcroft** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:51 pm

Happy Holidays - Not really, just nice names.
Clive

Issy · Post by **Issy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:32 pm

Ilsington Bramble isn't my bull he is Duncans. We had our cow AI'd by him as well.

Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:56 am

Thanks to Issy for posting the pictures, I sent them to her since I could cope with that but did not master how to post them here.

We bought Ilsington Bramble for his breeder the late Rosemary Brown in 1989, when he was breed champion at the RBST Show and Sale at Stoneleigh. The top picture is one of him at I think about 6 months sent to me by Rosemary later. The twins Burnside Lemon (long) and Lime (short) were born to Burnside Holly RM in 1990, natural service prior to semen collection. The bottom picture is Bramble in front of our house after he had been away for semen collection, his weight at the time would be around 550kg.

We sold him in 1994 to make room for a son, but sadly I had to choose between Bramble's son and my own son, who was put upside down in a ditch by the young bull. We just felt we could not take chances with Panjandrum, a nice bull but tricky even at 23 months old.

Duncan

Sylvia · Post by **Sylvia** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:51 pm