Herd Book Numer? - researching pedigree

Inger · Post by **Inger** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:32 am

I need the Herd Book number for;
We Gaelic Thistledown, as I'm filling in the pedigree of a young bull we are in the process of purchasing.

Also, the Herd book numbers of her parents - We Gaelic Mr O'Toole and Lena of Myers Farm, would be nice as well.

If you can find a note of the colour of any of these animals, that would be great as well.

Thanks.

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Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:00 am

Wee Gaelic Ms. Carlow, ADCA #5732, Born: 1988-07-19
Hiyu Skylark, ADCA #5733, Born: 1988-08-10
Wee Gaelic Tipperary, ADCA #5734, Born: 1988-12-10
Wee Gaelic Ms. Claire, ADCA #5735, Born: 1988-12-23
Wee Gaelic Ms. Wexford, ADCA #5736, Born: 1988-12-24
Wee Gaelic Ms. Cory, ADCA #5737, Born: 1989-01-05
Wee Gaelic Ms. Mayo, ADCA #5738, Born: 1989-04-20
Wee Gaelic Ms. Offaly, ADCA #5739, Born: 1989-06-21
Wee Gaelic Ms. Cavan, ADCA #5740, Born: 1989-07-20
Wee Gaelic Mr. O'Toole, ADCA #5741, Born: 1990-04-28
Wee Gaelic Ms. Armagh, ADCA #5742, Born: 1990-08-01
Wee Gaelic Ms. Down, ADCA #5743, Born: 1990-09-11
Wee Gaelic Ms. Youghal, ADCA #5744, Born: 1990-11-05
Wee Gaelic Ms. Sligo, ADCA #5745, Born: 1990-11-11
Wee Gaelic Kilworth, ADCA #5748, Born: 1990-11-15
Wee Gaelic Ms. Macroom, ADCA #5747, Born: 1990-12-18
Wee Gaelic Ms. Lismore, ADCA #5748, Born: 1990-12-25
Wee Gaelic Ms. Tyrone, ADCA #5749, Born: 1991-01-08
Wee Gaelic Ms. Antrim, ADCA #5750, Born: 1991-05-10
Wee Gaelic Monaghan, ADCA #5751, Born: 1991-08-08
Wee Gaelic Ms. Cork, ADCA #5752, Born: 1991-09-05
Wee Gaelic Killarney, ADCA #5753, Born: 1991-09-08
Wee Gaelic Ms. Sneem, ADCA #5754, Born: 1991-10-04
Wee Gaelic Ms. Fermoy, ADCA #5755, Born: 1991-10-09
Wee Gaelic Ms. Kenmore, ADCA #5756, Born: 1992-10-10
Wee Gaelic Ms. Blarney, ADCA #5757, Born: 1992-10-15
W. Gaelic Limerick, ADCA #5758, Born: 1992-11-25

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Name ADCA# Sire Dam Gender Color Birth Date Breeder Owner
Lena of Myers Farm 3331 Bruno of Myers Farm Peerless Lindy C Black 1987-01-15 Ross Cursons

Duncan

Inger · Post by **Inger** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:45 am

Thankyou for that Duncan. Thistledown isn't in the list, so does that mean that she might not have been registered?

Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:55 am

Hello Inger,

I was in a rush this morning and did not do the search right.

Wee Gaelic Thistledown 5956 Wee Gaelic Mr. O'Toole Lena of Myers Farm C Red or Dun 1993-03-26 John Wynn

Go to www.dextercattle.org this is the site of the American Dexter Cattle Association, go to their pedigree section and you can do searches etc.

Hope that helps

Duncan

Inger · Post by **Inger** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:03 am

Ah, thankyou. That covers it.

I have used the American on-line pedigree. Its very good. But I presumed that We Gaelic was a UK stud, so didn't think to use it this time.

Is the reason that Thistledown is classed as Red/Dun because people found it hard to tell the difference between the colours? Or was it just policy? I know that in the US, they just class them as red/dun until they are tested to prove which one they are.

We had a Black bull that carried both Red and Dun genes, so I'm guessing that it might be possible for Red animals to carry Dun or vice versa? As these two colours are carried on separate genes. But the phenotype of the animal should still be fairly obvious between duns and reds. The nose and eye colours are different as well.

We do get a Summer fading in the coloured Dexters here in NZ as the Summer sun can be quite strong, but the red and dun animals still look different from each other.

wagra dexters · Post by **wagra dexters** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:14 pm

Inger, at the 2nd Dexter World Congress on the Gold Coast in 2002 I overheard an American lady arguing the point about the colour of Billabong Willy Wonka, a red bull by Elmwood Robson.
She said, "We refer to that colour as dun." He was really most obviously red, so far as what we call red, and he wasn't even a very pale red at that.
I gathered from what she was saying that what she called red is only the darker Cornahir Outlaw colour.
Margaret

marion · Post by **marion** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:28 pm

Inger, all the animals behind Wee Gaelic Mr.O'Toole recorded as 'red or dun', were dun. OToole himself was dun and did not carry red..marion

marion · Post by **marion** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:41 pm

PS: On Lena of Myers Farm pedigree, some of the Peerless animals did carry red. Dont quote me, but I think Pirate and Captain Echo carried red..marion

Inger · Post by **Inger** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:23 am

I've always thought that you can get two or three shades of Red. The deep red, the orange red and the dark red with dark points like the nose.

Dun is an altogether different colour I thought. It can be pale through to dark dun, but it doesn't look anything like red.

marion · Post by **marion** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:14 pm

Hi Inger. Yes there is a lot of variation in red and also dun. The story as I heard it, was that in the US when they got dun, they thought it was red, so as there was no way to tell what they acually were, the records for the ones registered as red were later altered to read red/dun. You can tell a dun animal by the cafe-au-lait nose and eyeliner. The reds will have a pink or black nose. I have had one red calf, and he was positively glowing red, whereas the dun calves have been a light or darker honey colour..marion

Inger · Post by **Inger** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:21 pm

Yes, exactly. Which is why I don't understand why the Americans had so much trouble diferentiating between the two colours? Did they not know about the Dun as a colour variation in the Dexter, when they first started breeding them?