It would seem that since the 'Right To Roam' act was introduced people are under the impression that they can go where they like. I'll be glad when school holidays are over.
Martin.
Is it like this in other places ?
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Right To Roam Act?? Does that mean anyone can come & go through your properties as it suits them?
We knew that someone had been climbing over the padlocked back gate, 3 kms away, and then they complained that the bulls had chased them! The bulls think humans mean grain lollies, but we didn't tell the trespassers that.
When we found marijuana growing in one of the gullies, we hot-wired the gate to the fence. Who is going to complain to the authorities that they have been denied access to their dope crop? Probably the same over there, we would be liable if the helicopter found the crop on our land.
We knew that someone had been climbing over the padlocked back gate, 3 kms away, and then they complained that the bulls had chased them! The bulls think humans mean grain lollies, but we didn't tell the trespassers that.
When we found marijuana growing in one of the gullies, we hot-wired the gate to the fence. Who is going to complain to the authorities that they have been denied access to their dope crop? Probably the same over there, we would be liable if the helicopter found the crop on our land.
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Martin you aren't getting old sweetie, it IS ALL getting worse.
I love to walk myself but have always felt as if I was trespassing when on footpaths over other people’s land, so I tend to walk up mountains and/or in National Parks. Personally I think the public need it explained to them that public footpaths are on private land.
I am often told how lucky I am to own my land. It isn't luck my grandfather bought it before the depression in 1921, then a few years later when the pigs he had bought to fatten were worth less to sell than they had been to buy my dad an excellent scholar had to leave school at 14 to help save the farm. In 1963 my granddad died and dad had to pay off his 3 siblings and in the late 70s for the first time the farm was out of debt and the original mortgage paid off. That wasn't luck it was hard graft, determination and going without holidays and other luxuries for 3 generations!
This farm is criss crossed with footpaths from every direction, all were there to allow people to go about their work and get to church on a Sunday. This meant that pretty much either the walker was going to or from the farm to work or sell something or the land owner would know them and the walker respected his ownership.
No footpath was ever made for recreation purposes.
The people that walk them today do not know or want to know the farmer and often assume the farmer to be of too low an intelligence for them to bother with anyway.
I shall explain. I watched a family walking through my fields, the children ran around well off the footpath, (the parents didn't attempt to keep to it either,) the dog ran all over the place unheeded. They came across 2 of my fields that had a footpath and then turned up my driveway. It is neither a footpath nor a right of way.
I tend to watch and say or do nothing as long as no harm is actually being done. When this family stopped and the dad started taking the very thick ice from my water tank and smashing on the tarmac I decided to go and have a word. I politely asked him to stop as the ice would melt slightly re freeze and become a danger on my steep road, (it did for 3 weeks.) He asked in an assertive tone, who I was and what right I had to tell him what to do. I explained I was the land owner and he wasn't on a foot path and asked who he was. I tried to be friendly and asked what he did, he said it was no good telling me as I wouldn’t understand...... I said try me his reply..."The best way I can explain it to you is that I teach teachers". Obviously with such a friendly way about the man I warmed to him.
It turns out he is a "rambler". He like many others doesn't see a problem with not having his dog on a lead, he and his family wander around my fields, picking blackberries and mushrooms and don't think they need to ask or be on a footpath and have even made a large rockery from stone taken from the brook.
They more recently have used my and other farm drives to start their children driving, no of course they didn't ask but they know that it is OK to have them on our private drives before they turn 17 and get insured!
My farm is just a large garden, (173 acres,) to me around my house and I don't see why I should have lesser rights to my garden than anyone else, it is bought and paid for in the same way! Just because someones house is big doesn't mean I can have my lunch in their kitchen and as yet I have never picniced on someones lawn!
If people are to be given the right to walk on someone else’s property they need to be educated on the subject in order to treat the countryside with care and learn to respect the privilege they are given and the people who own the land they are on.
Wow that was a rant - Do I now get grumpy old woman status?
Stephanie
I love to walk myself but have always felt as if I was trespassing when on footpaths over other people’s land, so I tend to walk up mountains and/or in National Parks. Personally I think the public need it explained to them that public footpaths are on private land.
I am often told how lucky I am to own my land. It isn't luck my grandfather bought it before the depression in 1921, then a few years later when the pigs he had bought to fatten were worth less to sell than they had been to buy my dad an excellent scholar had to leave school at 14 to help save the farm. In 1963 my granddad died and dad had to pay off his 3 siblings and in the late 70s for the first time the farm was out of debt and the original mortgage paid off. That wasn't luck it was hard graft, determination and going without holidays and other luxuries for 3 generations!
This farm is criss crossed with footpaths from every direction, all were there to allow people to go about their work and get to church on a Sunday. This meant that pretty much either the walker was going to or from the farm to work or sell something or the land owner would know them and the walker respected his ownership.
No footpath was ever made for recreation purposes.
The people that walk them today do not know or want to know the farmer and often assume the farmer to be of too low an intelligence for them to bother with anyway.
I shall explain. I watched a family walking through my fields, the children ran around well off the footpath, (the parents didn't attempt to keep to it either,) the dog ran all over the place unheeded. They came across 2 of my fields that had a footpath and then turned up my driveway. It is neither a footpath nor a right of way.
I tend to watch and say or do nothing as long as no harm is actually being done. When this family stopped and the dad started taking the very thick ice from my water tank and smashing on the tarmac I decided to go and have a word. I politely asked him to stop as the ice would melt slightly re freeze and become a danger on my steep road, (it did for 3 weeks.) He asked in an assertive tone, who I was and what right I had to tell him what to do. I explained I was the land owner and he wasn't on a foot path and asked who he was. I tried to be friendly and asked what he did, he said it was no good telling me as I wouldn’t understand...... I said try me his reply..."The best way I can explain it to you is that I teach teachers". Obviously with such a friendly way about the man I warmed to him.
It turns out he is a "rambler". He like many others doesn't see a problem with not having his dog on a lead, he and his family wander around my fields, picking blackberries and mushrooms and don't think they need to ask or be on a footpath and have even made a large rockery from stone taken from the brook.
They more recently have used my and other farm drives to start their children driving, no of course they didn't ask but they know that it is OK to have them on our private drives before they turn 17 and get insured!
My farm is just a large garden, (173 acres,) to me around my house and I don't see why I should have lesser rights to my garden than anyone else, it is bought and paid for in the same way! Just because someones house is big doesn't mean I can have my lunch in their kitchen and as yet I have never picniced on someones lawn!
If people are to be given the right to walk on someone else’s property they need to be educated on the subject in order to treat the countryside with care and learn to respect the privilege they are given and the people who own the land they are on.
Wow that was a rant - Do I now get grumpy old woman status?
Stephanie
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We have been broken into so many times over the last few years. Last month we had a generator stolen.... Previously we have had an entire cattle handling system dismantled and stolen. We are considering buying a shipping container to keep most things in - does anyone know how effective they are against pikeys!
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A few years ago I worked with "charming" young people excluded from school, some of Kent's finest kids !!! Some of them came to my home and to stop them getting too familiar with our things I left lots of used shotgun cartridges around, so they got the message plain and clear. Considering most of them had criminal records I was proud that nothing ever went missing and no-one really stepped out of line !?! I don't know if you can apply this tactic elsewhere but it was 100% effective. Last year the pikeys stole equipment from a container on a building site in the village that the builders were sure was "safe", they are a law to themselves, they do not like big barking dogs though. Martin, you are just fitting into your grandad status nicely, just joking. It must be a big pain in the a** for a lot of you, to add to the other hassles, farming certainly isn't that appealing these days is it.
Hi Bernard,
A container is a good idea if you have proper lock and a cover that prevents people from being able to take a hammer or bolt croppers to the lock. The cover is welded on around where the lock goes with the only access from the bottom, it should be made from fairly thick metal and welded profesionally to ensure it will withstand attack. Most companies that supply containers do offer this as an option. Also use a good quality closed shackle padlock. Remember though that a container may act like a magnet for the pikeys, as they will assume that there is something of value in it.
There are some good wire free solar powered security alarms with 115dB sounders on the market from about £140, combined with a container they could solve most of your problems.
Martin.
A container is a good idea if you have proper lock and a cover that prevents people from being able to take a hammer or bolt croppers to the lock. The cover is welded on around where the lock goes with the only access from the bottom, it should be made from fairly thick metal and welded profesionally to ensure it will withstand attack. Most companies that supply containers do offer this as an option. Also use a good quality closed shackle padlock. Remember though that a container may act like a magnet for the pikeys, as they will assume that there is something of value in it.
There are some good wire free solar powered security alarms with 115dB sounders on the market from about £140, combined with a container they could solve most of your problems.
Martin.
Martin.
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Kent
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Kent
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We have bought a shipping container and keep all our bikes, gator and topper etc in when they are not being used and so far have had no problems. historically we have had trailers, generators, tractor mowers, quad bikes, gates etc etc nicked. We now have all our gates reverse hung as well.
Our major problems arise when 'travellers' are in the area although my partner followed out trailer being nicked during the day, rang the police and gave them a running commentry right towards a permanent gypsy site. unfortunately the police stopped my partner for speeding and not thieves - the police would not go onto the gypsy site because there were not enough of them - they said they would have a look when the helicopter was next in the area.
I am interested in this solar alarm - has anyone got details
Our major problems arise when 'travellers' are in the area although my partner followed out trailer being nicked during the day, rang the police and gave them a running commentry right towards a permanent gypsy site. unfortunately the police stopped my partner for speeding and not thieves - the police would not go onto the gypsy site because there were not enough of them - they said they would have a look when the helicopter was next in the area.
I am interested in this solar alarm - has anyone got details
Solar alarm, www.cpc.co.uk Item number SR06223. We have an account with them but I am sure you can pay with credit/debit card.
Martin.
Martin.
Martin.
Maidstone
Kent
Maidstone
Kent