Cattle Attacks

Broomcroft · Post by **Broomcroft** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:53 pm

Just been informed by the police that only a few miles from us, cattle have been attacked with knives. The bull was so badly cut up and stabbed it had to be shot.

Minnie · Post by **Minnie** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:46 pm

Hi Clive,

This is sickening! I wonder these days were our world is going...

Vicki

mildown · Post by **mildown** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:03 pm

B******S THEY WANT SHOOTING, AND THATS TO GOOD FOR THEM WHAT DID THEM ANIMALS EVER DO TO THEM.

PHIL....

Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:18 am

This sounds like an extremely distressing incident. Fortunately for the most part our livestock can be in fields and suffer very little interference of any sort, we are most of the time very lucky.

Abuse of animals is now recognised to have very close links with abuse of people, and any incident should be taken as serious - an early intervention may save progression to worse things at a later date. I do not mean personal intervention - police or RSPCA or SSPCA can handle information very sensitively and sources are not divulged. So if you have concerns, report them.

Duncan

Broomcroft · Post by **Broomcroft** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:40 am

A cow was also knifed in a separate incident but probably by the same people as it was in the same area. A chilling thought came through my mind as I read the news report from the local police, because at the very same time I was reading Lord Stern's call for everyone to become a vegetarian because cattle were one of the main causes of global warming (he said, wrongly). In the Times blog that I was taking part in, someone said there was another call reported in the media by someone - "Kill a cow and save the planet". Haven't seen that one or heard of any other reports of cattle attacks. Hope there is no link.

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stew · Post by **stew** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:27 am

there was a pony and a dairy cow shot dead by lampers in my area over the last few years. and stealing of piglets and store cattle more recently
i remeber 15 year ago a dairy cow shoot through her full udder by a lad with an air gun , my dexters are that soft anyone could walk among them and slash them or worse what is the world coming to . i hope the cath the rats

Louisa Gidney · Post by **Louisa Gidney** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:08 am

My cattle are extremely friendly, but if you don't know them, it make take a little nerve to stand still while a dozen head of horned stock demand cuddles with menaces. Even seasoned stock people treat them with respect. Horns are a wonderful deterrent for all sorts of unwanted nocturnal visitors. Though leading the grey mule out of the mist towards lampers, around Hallowe'en, was quite effective too :D

wagra dexters · Post by **wagra dexters** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:23 am

What are lampers?
Margaret

davidw · Post by **davidw** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:21 pm

Its really sickening when morons do this. But I doubt that they have the intelligence to read the article you refer to. However, the media really seem to have latched onto the methane emissions from cattle.
This spring, I heard the retired principal of the Royal Agricultural College - who is a specialist in livestock nutrition - speaking on this. He described the claims about excessive methane emissions as being complete rubbish, and mainly based on American cattle in feed-lots where they feed mainly maize. According to him, Grass-fed animals emit very little methane.

Broomcroft · Post by **Broomcroft** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:33 pm

Excuse the language, but do your dexters fart? Mine don't. Mind you they have been brought up properly :D. But seriously, one "passed wind" the other day and I realised I didn't hear that very often, or at least not compared to some humans!

Just had a circular from The Times who are very worried about the statements being made. It could be the start of a campaign against cattle with wierdos picking up on it and taking matters into their own hands. Sort of the bovine equivalent to the BNP.

The front page of The Times on October 27th carried a potentially damaging story about the supposed benefits for the environment if people were to become vegetarian. NSA was part of a cross industry organisation response to this. The response is detailed below, I hope it meets with your approval. It is very important that we constantly refute these claims about links between environmental gains and vegetarianism. We are likely to see more of this in the weeks leading up to the Copenhagen summit so please take every opportunity you have to challenge any articles of a similar nature.

We are joining the National Beef Association because they are in the forefront of fighting this nonsense.

Duncan MacIntyre · Post by **Duncan MacIntyre** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:49 pm

A very quick reply on this, I think the point to remember about grass and cows and methane is that if the grass is natural grass grown with little artificial fertiliser, then a certain amount of methane will result whether the grass decays at the end of the season or is eaten by cows. So the net result is the same. It will not be a neutral result if tons of artificial fertiliser which has used huge energy to make is used to push up the grass production way beyond what nature would manage.

Duncan

redhill · Post by **redhill** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:14 pm

I agree whole heartedly with Louisa there is nothing like a herd of horned dexters to deter someone, even though our Dexters are as soft as grease we have great fun watching our landlords beaters during pheasant shooting season, they get over the fence into the field very gingerly (get over the fence mind you even though the fence they get over is at the side of a perfectly openable gate) and start to casually strole across the field they then spot the Dexters approaching them and start to walk faster by the time they reach the other side of the field they are in full excelleration and volt the fence, little do they know that all the Dexters want to do is say hello and we are not going to enlighten them, it would spoil our fun.
The best thing to do with people that do this sort of thing to any animal or human is to send them out to Afganistan as gun fodder.
Yes Broomcroft I also know many humans that expel a great deal more gas than any of our Dexters.
Thank you Duncan I was beginning to think that we were the only people that thought artificial fertilizer was unnecessary, we have used 10cwt in total in the last 9 years on 40 acre, and this year have more grass than our cows can eat.
Bill, Castlemears Dexters, Forest of Dean

Louisa Gidney · Post by **Louisa Gidney** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:54 pm

Margaret: lampers are a form of poacher out after dark, who shine powerful lamps to dazzle rabbits then let lurchers after them. Said dogs are poorly controlled & worry sheep & the people are light fingered in the vicinity of buildings & kit. Local ones are quite cowardly though, as they tend to run away when they spot me approaching with the dog. The mule was even better though!

stew · Post by **stew** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:56 pm

well there is a slight differance between lampers and dogmen allthough they both use lamps and are after the same quarry rabbits hares foxes deer badgers are targets for illegal lampers/dog men . the methods used a different dog men use dogs and lampers use shotguns and rifles
dogmen run dogs whenever the ground is right like not to hard and dry or frozen and tend to try and coral the prey in a vehicle turning it back to the dog over stubbles or drilling once the crop gets to high in sping the dont tend to go out much
illegal lampers ride around the countryside with rifles mostly out for deer but will take rabbits and hare and foxes and badgers given the chance again riding all over the place watching and eyeing up anything to pinch whilst there out
though lamping isnt all illegal if you got the consent of the landowner and your after legal quarry it can be a very usefull way of vermin /preditor control .
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clacko · Post by **clacko** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:05 am

careful louisa, i go lamping several times a week, mainly for foxes certainly not poaching or worrying stock, quite the opposite, more like protecting stock and unsettling pykies who are doing the rounds. :D paul